In part two of our interview, Amy continues her discussion of the goddess with Phoenix who makes an impassioned case for sex work, and all women’s work, as magical, powerful and healing.
Check out Part 1 here.
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Transcript
Phoenix Part 2
[00:00:00] Phoenix: Black Girl Magic means, to me, black and African women using their ancestral knowledge, often inherited through trauma or dislocation, but not always, using that strength, using that knowledge, that access, to elevate themselves and elevate their lives, and by default, everyone around them. Magic has rippling effects.
You just heard
[00:00:32] Amy: Phoenix talking about her concept of black girl magic. I, of course, can make no claims to black girl magic. I am white. I recognize that there are places and spaces that aren't for me and my exclusion isn't mean spirited. It's about healing. It's reparative in nature. Safe places where I don't belong.
I understand that and I support that. I don't feel that same necessity of exclusion for me when it comes to voodoo, and again for me more specifically, Santeria, because I was called to meet Shango, Chango, Sango, and Yamiya, and I heard their message, and I lived it. I'll try to tell this story as quickly as possible because I really want to get back to part two of my conversation with Phoenix, so here we go.
When I was in my early twenties, I had, uh, trauma that I'll characterize as a violent And when it happened, somehow, all that I knew was that I had to get as far away as possible, and I had to go by myself. Now, I was working at a gas station at the time, so I didn't have a lot of money, and it took me a few months to scrimp and save.
But, after a few months of penny pinching and austerity, I was on a plane to Cuba. My plane landed, I went to my hotel, and slept for 14 hours. I woke up in Havana with no real plans. I had arranged to spend a couple days there before taking a bus to the beach for the rest of my stay. I'm not a resort person by nature, but I was in recovery and part of that message that I kept getting in my head was that I had to go and stare at the ocean.
Flash forward 12 hours or so later, and I'm in a room with a dirt floor, concrete walls, a bare lightbulb hanging from the ceiling, and a luxurious buffet set up against one wall. The centerpiece was a plastic saint, kind of like you would imagine someone having on their lawn at Christmas. And the room starts to fill and drums are being beaten, metal and hide banging and banging and the crowd is filling up the room and the sound is filling up the room and a priest and a priestess enter dressed all in red from their heads to their toes.
And I know that something incredible is about to happen. And so the priest and priestess go around the room and when it's my turn. The priestess squirted something into my hands and then rubbed her hands together to sort of pantomime what I was to do. And then she grabbed me by the shoulders and spun me and spun me and spun me until I was dizzy and then flung me out into the crowd.
Then she disappeared. And when she returned, she had a chicken. A live chicken. She was pulling the feathers off and throwing them into the air and scattering them into the crowd. And then, shoo! The chicken's head was removed from its body, and I thought to myself, Oh. My. God. That is the most intense and incredible thing I will ever see.
And then they brought out the goat. And they paraded around the house, chanting, blessing it. And it was in front of me, and I looked into its eyes, and then I saw the inside of its neck. And I wasn't afraid. And I still didn't ask any questions. But I knew that I had been a part of something sacred, and holy, and profound, and powerful.
I was told the party would go on for three more days, but I lasted about six hours. I was lovingly put into a taxi by my new friends, went back to my hotel, and got up the next morning to head to the ocean, where, as I had planned, I sat. And on my last day in Cuba, having arrived with no idea what I was doing or where I was going, where my life was headed, or who my friends were, on my last day in Cuba, I woke up and I knew what I had to do.
I had to move from Southern Ontario to Montreal, and I had to do a lit degree. Again, this was 2001 by 2002, that's what I was doing. I went to Cuba looking for answers and I got them, and I know from whom I got those answers. In the years that have passed, I've had a chance to do a little bit more research, and I discovered that the saint, the plastic saint, on that buffet was Saint Barbara, who is a stand in for Shango, sometimes Chango.
Sometimes Tsango. And the more I learned about this Orisha, the more I learned about Shango, the more I knew that this connection was real. Ayalosa Akulatunde, we referenced her book in the Primary Missing Witches podcast about Mamalola. Again, please read this book if you have any interest in Ifa or Yoruba at all.
It's fantastic. Akulatunde says, Sango is the force of strength and perseverance that causes man to strive for correctness and righteousness. He is the power of truth and the support that the universe lends to those who are truthful. So I personally give it up to Sango on the daily. All of that anger I had for those friends who had betrayed me with violence and lies has turned to gratitude.
And again, I feel I have Shango to thank. I'll also add that Shango sometimes goes by St. Jerome, which is a big town about halfway between me and Risa's homes. So again, I give it up to Shango on the daily for calling me to Cuba to be cleansed and blessed and guided. And now part two of my interview with Phoenix.
I will start with
[00:06:45] Phoenix: the dreaded T word, trauma. Uh, and I will just generalize patriarchal trauma. And then, I will talk about how I overcame that. Good, because that's
[00:07:02] Amy: always, ladies and gentlemen who are listening, that's always how, I mean, we can't deny that a lot of these stories, these people's magic shows up after a traumatic event and oftentimes in our own lives it takes a trauma to force us to evolve to force us out of our Comfort and I'm not recommending trauma And I'm definitely not saying you seek it, but this is a theme that we see over and over and over again Especially with witches.
Oh my god.
[00:07:33] Phoenix: I cannot talk about overcoming patriarchal trauma without talking about inspirational women Um, so let me talk about the first inspiring woman who I've only recently come to recognize fully as an inspiring woman, my mother. She is very flawed and very hurt by patriarchy and having a relationship with that is confronting my pain with patriarchy and it's doubly traumatizing, but it's the most necessary work.
And I have healed so much ancestral trauma. Intergenerational fucking trauma. You've burned the karma of your ancestors. I mean, it's still there, but I'm definitely engaging with it, and my mom is I'm privileged to have, like I said, a good enough relationship with her. We are really trying she is seeing me, she's seeing my pain, and she understands and recognizes it.
And that's Amazing. So that's my mom. And then that's the first goddess. She's such a witch. Yeah, she's such a house witch. She just makes everything beautiful and she's teaching me how to love my house as part of loving myself. Because I've flown away from both. Then my second I'll say feminist role model, which role model, goddess role model, Ms.
Naylor. She was my drama teacher and she like, was first my literature teacher and I love that shit. I'm like, I just eat up languages and literature and culture and arts like it's just and she saw it and she pushed me and I got into it and she worked with my drama and I became the powerhouse that I am and the feminist power, she was my first kind of recognized feminist.
She was a white woman. She was my first recognized feminist. Um, before I could accept my mother. Can you just
[00:09:12] Amy: shout out her name one more time?
[00:09:14] Phoenix: Marie Naylor, for everyone. Marie Naylor,
[00:09:16] Amy: thank you so much.
[00:09:17] Phoenix: Carry on. She was one of those drama teachers who everyone with, all the kids with problems would go to and like, just hang out and do drama.
And she was amazing. A beautiful, beautiful individual. And then, um, when I grew up, and went to, I immigrated to Canada, and like, discovered all these things, and kind of had like a suck in childhood, which was very messy in adulthood. And I did like lots of drugs and lots of sex. Anyway, I ended up doing...
Thing where I, um, applied for like a dominatrix job. I'd never done it before, but I knew that I could, like, I'm such a great performer, like, I'll be fine. And I talked to a woman on the phone who ran the Montreal Dolls. Um, it was a thing at the time, it's over now. Um, and she interviewed me and one of her questions were, If you were a goddess, which goddess would you be?
What? And it was the first question. Nobody had ever asked me that before. And I was so stoked. And I just like, got, that's when I got into ISIS and that's when I like, really connected with the goddess. Can you shout out
[00:10:17] Amy: this person's name
[00:10:17] Phoenix: again too, please? I'm not sure I want to out her. Okay,
[00:10:20] Amy: then no problem.
Just beautiful goddess that you are. We thank you for that question. She was cool. I want you to ask our listeners. If you were a
[00:10:29] Phoenix: goddess, if you were a goddess, who
[00:10:31] Amy: would you be? Okay, so we're gonna give you one second to ask yourself about that. Okay, now carry
[00:10:37] Phoenix: on. And she used to like make doming so good and so fun.
She mentored me, she taught me how to do all the stuff and like, cock and ball torture, and you do the condom thing, this is how you don't touch it, and you don't like, this is how you talk, and all this stuff, and she used to bake cookies, and she would make sure I would always eat, and she was like, Always a house was so clean and she paints stuff on the floors.
She was really cool. She was like a great introduction into domination, which a lot of people don't have. And I'm very privileged to have had that experience of sex work. So thank you. Shout out to this person who I will not name for safety reasons.
[00:11:13] Amy: So that's goddess number two, three, three. We had your mom, we had your teacher, then we had your second teacher.
[00:11:20] Phoenix: Yes, exactly. And honestly, like, women are magic. Feminine energy, regardless of sex and gender, is magic. Feminized labor is magic. Uh, things that are, like, shunned and, like, excluded because of their femininity are magic. Sex work is goddamn magic. Get into that, please. Okay. Sex work, the responsibility of someone's well being and pleasure, right?
Exactly. You're, you're saying it's a transactional thing, you're giving me cash that I deserve because this is very hard labor, and I will be trusted, well, in theory, in like the ideal, I will be trusted, especially in kink, in BDSM circles, I will be trusted with the responsibility of giving you this experience.
Um, and that's a hard thing, you have to know a person quickly, understand their limits and their desires. Um, create something, like, kind of in a dynamic way, which causes you to be so present and open. Um, it's, it's very magical, I really flexed when I was a dom, I was really good at what I did. I love to do it, I love to get into like, that mode, and I like, hmm, the power of it, the power of it.
You know, at the time I was a very abused girl, um, confronting very gendered realities. In my body, I also have beauty privilege. So I got a lot of attention from men and I, that's why I monetize it. It makes total sense anyway. So
[00:12:54] Amy: just to interrupt, um, she's not kidding. Beauty privilege. She's gorgeous. I mean, I know you can't see her, but we'll post a picture on our Instagram.
So you know what we're dealing with. Thank you. So beauty privilege. Yeah, you made use
[00:13:07] Phoenix: of it. And, and sex work, especially domination work really healed. A lot of my sexual trauma and my patriarchal trauma because it gave me an access to a sense of power that was created consensually that made it so that my desire was supreme.
And that was so intoxicatingly educating because In a way, it was absolutely true and it changed who I was as a person. I became a person who believed, sorry I don't know why I'm talking at the screen, but I became a person who believed in myself and in my own sexual power and in my own right to pleasure and, and yeah, like that I come first and that I What I want is law, and like, that fucking healed me because that was absolutely antithesis to the experiences that I had been having.
Because I was sexually uneducated in Kuwait when I grew up, and coming to Canada, I caught up real fast. And, uh, didn't do everything right, you know? And so, I, I, I took in a lot of shit. And so, Monetizing it and then getting into a power mode where I was like in a fantasy power mode that Became reality for me.
Like I totally am a powerhouse now, and I believe it I'm fully a goddess like i'm fully activated as a goddess in this life. I'm a very flawed goddess who's still Ascending and trying to access, you know, like i'm learning i'm learning i'm a goddess in infancy, but i'm nonetheless a beast Like really i'm just an amazing Individual because I fucking try and that's all you need to
[00:14:53] Amy: do.
That's all you can do.
[00:14:56] Phoenix: If you're just trying and failing and trying and failing and trying, then you're a fucking hero. Exactly. Thank you for existing and surviving. As long as you're not trying to be
[00:15:05] Amy: an asshole. I mean, let's draw the line somewhere. Don't try to be an asshole. If you're failing at being an asshole, though, I guess that's great.
[00:15:14] Phoenix: And honestly, that's. That's a very important point too. Confronting the asshole in you is all of the work. Oooh. Yes, this is where I'm at right now, is being like, oh shit, you're fucked up. Mm
[00:15:25] Amy: hmm. But, um, make no mistake, like, maybe you're at home, and you're sitting there going, okay, Phoenix is like talking about how she's an amazing goddess, and then she's also sitting there talking about how fucked up she is, and flawed, and makes mistakes.
Stakes And how do those, so let us tell you, me, Amy, and she Phoenix, let us tell you, there is no difference between being amazing and being flawed. Absolutely. There is strength in vulnerability. Let me tell you this right now. Admitting your faults is the toughest. Most courageous thing you can do and that's why most people don't do it.
Yeah. That's why most people are guided by their egos because they're so terrified that you're gonna find out that they're not perfect. But the joke's on them. We
[00:16:08] Phoenix: already knew. Yeah. Ha ha ha
[00:16:10] Amy: ha ha ha. Because none of us are. So get into it. Be imperfect. Like, I've seen people visibly relax around me when I...
You know, admit one of my own flaws, you know, Oh yeah, I've made hundreds of mistakes and their bodies physically relax. Like it's magical, you know? And so don't get it twisted. We, we, at this point, we're recording this before, but at this point you will have heard the Ipsita Roy Chakravarti episode where she talks about the arrogant woman and how all women need to be arrogant and there is nothing that should be.
Stopping you from talking about yourself in the exact same way that phoenix talks about herself She is a goddess and she knows it and this is what we should all aspire to be So back to the goddess you are her And
[00:17:01] Phoenix: you're in progress. Yeah, so that's where it began. And then after that I just have many other witches in my life that I have to give credit to, like Tanya Stasselovich.
She's a wrestler, feminist, sci fi, queer wrestler with Earthbound. And she's just always taught me how to, like, speak my truth and hold my ground and say what I'm feeling. Which is like such a magical thing, it's a very hard magical thing, and I'm grasping but she also taught me like actual like tarot and like different like influences that, you know, she picked up and, and she's a person who doesn't read and totally is intuitive.
She's a totally intuitive witch. She does her own thing, you know, like, which I respect too. I think I, I love to read personally, but I also respect like all forms of access, you know, I also like, you know, fuck to know.
[00:17:54] Amy: Some people study and study and study, and that's great, and some people are just a lot low, right?
And so this woman, say her name for
[00:18:00] Phoenix: us again. Tanya Staslovich.
[00:18:02] Amy: And she's with what organization?
[00:18:03] Phoenix: You said Earthbound? She works with Earthbound. They're like a queer sci fi wrestling, um, performance group. They do um, queer sci fi wrestling shows and they're amazing. And political? Astrological, political, like, intersectional, like, really good.
And the connection, as a performer, for me, the connection to the audience that I have is God. That is divinity right there. There's nothing like that feeling. I can't recreate it. I live for it. I do so much for it. I put so much energy into honing the, like, experience. And the relationship between myself and my audience.
And I'd say it's like one of the most intoxicating experiences out
[00:18:46] Amy: there. It's, uh, because there's this next level, it's so much outside of just the two. Think about voices in harmony. It's not two voices, it's like a third thing,
[00:18:55] Phoenix: you know? It's like interaction, collaboration, and like, yeah, it's beautiful.
[00:19:02] Amy: And so now we've come back around to, um, how you manifest this in your performance life. I know Glam Gam. Deals a lot with consent as a primary theme In your
[00:19:15] Phoenix: shows it has been in a recent show. Definitely a primary consent. We did greasy Uh a lesbian love story. It's a queer re adaptation of The shit, the uh, fucking, you know, the John, the John Travolta Grease.
We can say it, Grease. Yeah, uh, Grease, right. And, uh, sorry I'm so stoned. But yeah, I was the, uh, you know, John Travolta character. Um, Danny, Danny Foucault, actually. Yeah, and, uh, I was kind of like this, this... I'm sorry. Yeah, it's pretty good. Danny Foucault. Danny Foucault. Okay, just Google it. And I
[00:19:52] Amy: was like... F O U C A U C A U L T.
[00:19:58] Phoenix: Um, yeah, and Danny Foucault is kind of like this douche bro lesbian. Um, and they, I guess they're like pretty non binary, I'd say. But they like, they're, in my interpretation,
[00:20:11] Amy: yeah. We are no longer talking about the movie, folks. In this version of the
[00:20:16] Phoenix: story. Yeah, they're kind of like douchey and like, you know, they try to use polyamory to just like, Be shitty and like kind of pushed the boundaries of you know, their love interest In our version she's called winter valentine Because we have a winter joke because Montreal
But yeah, Glendam also does Just all kinds of gender and sexuality themes and feminist themes. Um, we're trying to be a little bit more intersectional in racial ways, because at this point we're definitely not where we'd like to be.
[00:20:57] Amy: But, um... In terms of... I
[00:21:01] Phoenix: think it needs to be a little bit, but it's hard, it's always hard to do and I, I won't talk about glam game further than that, but just doing intersectional theater is tough in a very whitewashed community, for sure, where If you're dealing with it on a day to day, like what, what would make anything different?
What would make theater different? Nothing, nothing's different. It's going to be seeped into everything you do. So as a person of color navigating the system, I'm drawn up against an entire system that doesn't invite me unless I'm exotified. And so I definitely bank on that. Like I think a lot and monetize that by, you know, you monetize whatever you can get in the capitalist world.
[00:21:48] Amy: White liberal can pay the bills.
[00:21:51] Phoenix: Sure, and it gives me access to white spaces and sort of financial whatever and, uh, but, uh, but yeah, like, Lime Game is definitely not that, it's a labor of love, but it's like all of my white family, and they're definitely family, like, they're there for me, but like, it's just tough navigating any relationship in a white supremacist world when you just don't share the same experience, like, just, it's always gonna have to be And I'll talk to you during my Q& A session.
And I'll talk
[00:22:27] Amy: to you during my Q&
[00:22:30] Phoenix: A session. A line in the, a consent line in the play. It's a starting point, you know?
[00:22:39] Amy: I mean, because we can only take anything so far, you know? Absolutely. We have the whole rest of human history to get it together, so Absolutely. We can't be in too much of a... We have to, I guess what I'm saying is we should be in a rush to make things better, but we have to appreciate the baby steps.
Totally. As they
[00:22:55] Phoenix: happen, right? Yeah, and that things take time. I think I'm very compelled to act. And that's my magic, you know? But it's also my coping mechanism. It's like, I get stressed, and then I act. I'm very impulsive. So like, I think, just sitting in stuff. This whole like, meditation revolution is all about sitting in stuff.
It's giving yourself some time. Time to just be, and not fix, and not act. And just like, consolidate. And like, understand. And reflect. There's no point acting if you haven't done that work, because you're going to act in a flawed way and you're going to do harm. Sometimes listening is like as much of an action as you need to take.
Listening and sitting, you know?
[00:23:43] Amy: And do you, you mean not just necessarily like the very healing friendship action of listening to another person, but also just listening to the nothing or the everything? Listening
[00:23:54] Phoenix: to yourself, listening, yeah, just like, yeah. Part of activism I think is recovery and rest.
Yes.
[00:24:03] Amy: Self care.
[00:24:03] Phoenix: Mm hmm. Yeah. And it gives you time to, like, reflect, which is part of it, because activism is, is hard and confusing and things change quickly. Frustrating. Yes. Yeah. And the language changes, you know, like.
[00:24:20] Amy: And you, I mean, you have to be confronting these issues on a daily basis. Yeah. You know, it's never going to be easy.
Mm hmm. Yeah. So recognizing the goddess in yourself becomes
[00:24:32] Phoenix: even more important. So important, yeah. Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah, I feel like the goddess is just like, head to like, my feminist values, I guess. It's like, it's representative of like, a nurturing connection to Earth. As much as it was hard for me to connect to my mother, I think it was very hard for me to connect to the Earth.
And to accept being a child of the Earth, and being... Like, bestowed the bounties of the earth whilst living the life that I do. So there's guilt there and there's feelings of like, not belonging and not having the right to access if I'm not doing the work of protecting. And so I think a lot of my connection to the earth ideas come from just listening to indigenous world views and indigenous cultures talk about that.
They're the ones that have the connection to the earth, I'm the one who's flown, I'm a nomad, and I've settled elsewhere, and I've migrated much, so I'm like used to being like dispossessed in like a more choice way, related to colonization, yeah, so it's complicated, it's complicated, but like um, like I don't, I haven't been enslaved or like stolen, you know, or I'm forced out of my areas by settlers.
Um, yeah, being here as a settler, an immigrant settler on, um, you know, Mohawk territory and like indigenous land overall in Canada, I definitely like listen to, I take my, I take my, my decision making, I guess, from. Their experience with stewarding the land and waters because I don't have that experience. I don't know this land I don't know how to interact with it.
I'm doing my best and I know that it's your question isn't necessarily specifically tied to the land But I think it's important to specifically tie it to the land first And then talk about earth in general because I have less of a connection even to that concept because it's so grand It, it's made to think, to seem so grand by the capitalist white suburban bullshit society that I live in.
Kind of normative. Ugh. I could throw all the adjectives. Ableist. Fucking ageist. It's all a hot pot of garbage. The toxic. Let me just reduce it. The toxic society that I live in tells me that it's too big and I don't have power. It's too vast. But if I'm doing what I can do in my place, listening to the people of the place that I'm in.
Then I can have rippling effects because that's what magic is. It's like a boosting so if I do my thing in my small area the whole world changes because we're all a connected but also macrocosm microcosm and Also healing myself is healing my ancestors in the same way Listening to the indigenous people on how to heal this land here is the same as like healing all of the land and like creating a space for healing anywhere else because we now have the internet.
So people find out and people protest and shit happens. The Arab Spring is going to be amazing because people have access to revolt and people are starting to get access to knowledge and it's happening. It's just so guarded and so protected and so privileged and like. sheltered and like, we just need to like, keep rejuvenating ourselves and like, replenishing the well of goodness and happiness and rebalancing from the inside, if not from the outside, like both if possible.
Yeah. Yeah. Uh, there's
[00:28:22] Amy: a, a really interesting movement happening here in Montreal where it's like a, it's um, about reparations and basically, you know, young native people who have not been given the opportunity. That we have taken from them, historically. And they're just saying, I need help, help me. And instead of thinking it as charity, of it as charity, or posing it as charity, they are posing it as reparations.
Yeah. And I think, I mean, I made a donation and I was like, Oh yeah, this is absolutely the least. Because obviously, you know, when the United States talks about slavery and reparations, it is, it is, quote. Maybe impossible, because how do you pay back for generations and generations and generations? But reparations in a personal, you know, individual, we can all be making reparations.
Absolutely. You know, we can be reading, buying, pardon me, buying and reading books by women of color, books by Native people. You know, don't, look to the source, look to the source for what you want to learn today. Yes.
[00:29:31] Phoenix: And reparations magic, reparations definitely is like a form of magic because you're keeping people alive, literally, these people need that.
And they're asking for help, and that's magic, and you're like, granting, because we're all connected and we're like this universe that's able to give. At different times when you can and then receive at different times when you need, you
[00:29:57] Amy: know, And don't come in on your white supremacist high horse with your charitable thinking.
No, this is reparations. This is not charity Let's say this again and contextualize it thusly in your head listeners, please You're making these donations. You're not saving anybody. You are making up a debt You are trying to pay off a debt that will never be paid off because the it's souls Yeah, exactly.
There's no exactly, there's no monetary value. We
[00:30:21] Phoenix: literally wiped literal, wiped out entire communities with like all kinds of, you know, Eurocentric diseases and disorders like, and it's generational and it's like spread and it's, it's diminished quality of life for people living today, like. Directly related to us being on this land, and like, we don't experience that.
We just don't. We just don't at all. Everyone has trauma, but like, we don't have this trauma. This is the most. One. So there you go. You
[00:30:53] Amy: know, we could obviously talk about this all day, and we may still, but at a certain point, um, we're gonna run out of bandwidth on our airwaves here at Missing Witches. So, um, help me wrap it up, like, if, what, Goddess Phoenix, what is the gospel according to Goddess Phoenix?
What do you want people to know about you, or about you? You as an extension of the universe or about anything just hit me hit me with anything You haven't said already that you want to say enough.
[00:31:28] Phoenix: I Don't know just love yourself and help each other and connect and Find God and just be free and yeah Yeah, that's it.
That's
[00:31:43] Amy: all. I love it. Thank you so much. We're gonna leave you with Audrey Lorde
[00:31:51] Phoenix: I have just returned from a feminist conference and book fair in London where, for a week over and over again, I was brought or made very, very conscious of the ways in which black women and white women do not hear each other.
So, yet again, this is an attempt. The title of this poem is A Woman Speaks.
Moon marked and touched by sun, My magic is unwritten, But when the sea turns back, It will leave my shape behind. I seek no favor untouched by blood, Unrelenting as the curse of love, permanent as my errors or my pride. I do not mix love with pity, nor hate with scorn. And if you would know me, look into the entrails of Uranus where the restless oceans pound.
I do not dwell within my birth. divinities, who have ageless and half grown, and still, seeking, my sisters in
Dahomey, witches, wear me inside
their coiled clothes, as our mothers did,
mourning. I have been woman for a long time. Beware my smile. I am
treacherous with old magic and the noon's
new fury.
With all your white futures promised, I am woman and not white.
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